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Why, oh why, oh why, do theists persist in relating atheism to evolution and/or The Big Bang Theory? To build their point? If they have a point! How many times do we have to tell them they are separate subjects. Atheism is simply a non-belief in any of the bloody deities!
I am completely over discussing scientific probabilities with theist’s who seem not to hold the same high standard of questioning to their sky fairy beliefs. If you want to bring proof to the table and question the validity of ‘proven scientific theories” then bring it. Put up or shut up! When your argument is ” if you can’t prove any scientific principle.. then god did it” do you have any idea how ludicrous you sound? Let’s take your ‘Big Bang Theory’ which may I add has no stance in Atheism what so ever, but we will humour you…
There is in fact a certain irony in the fact that “The Big Bang Theory’ originated from an English Theologian.
In Medieval philosophy there was much debate over whether the universe had a finite or infinite past. The philosophy of Aristotle held that the universe had an infinite past, which caused many problems for the Abrahamic religions with their creation myths.
BISHOP OF LINCOLN – ROBERT GROSSTESTE (1175-1253)
Robert Grossteste was an English statesman, scholastic philosopher, theologian, scientist and Bishop of Lincoln. You may say he was the first modern English intellectual.
In 1225 he wrote the treatise of De Luce (on light) where he explored the nature of matter and the cosmos. He described the birth of the universe as an explosion of crystalline matter to form stars and planets. The first attempt to describe the beginnings of the universe using a single set of physical laws.
JOHANNES KEPLER (1571-1630)
Carl Sagan described him as ” the first astrophysicist and the last scientific astrologer”
In 1610 he used the dark night sky to argue for a finite universe. he gave us the three fundamental laws of planetary motion.
ISAAC NEWTON (1642 – 1726)
Newton’s Principia formulated the laws of motion and universal gravitation, which dominated scientists view of the physical universe for the next three centuries. By deriving Kepler’s laws of planetary motion, Newton removed the last doubts about the validity of the heliocentric model of the Solar System. He built the first practical reflecting telescope, formulated an empirical law of cooling, studied the speed of sound, and introduced the notion of Newtonian fluid among many others.
MONSEIGNEUR GEORGE LEMAITRE (1894- 1966)
Oh look another theologian! In 1927, he proposed an expanding model for the universe to explain the observed redshifts of spiral nebulae, and calculated the Hubble Law. He based his theory on the work of Einstein and De Sitter, and independently derived Friedmann’s equations for an expanding universe.
in 1931, he proposed that the universe began with an explosion of the primeval atom – what was later called the Big Bang. Lemaitre first took cosmic rays to be the remnants of the event, although it is now known that they originate within the local galaxy. Lemaitre found out shortly before his death of the discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation, the remnant radiation of a dense and hot phase in the early universe.
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The Eight Century journey from Grosseteste’s cosmological ideas to our own modern scientific research offers a rich illustration of the slow evolution in our understanding and the pure pleasure of reaching out to find the answers.
Do we have all the answers? No, not just yet but we have the promise that one day we will. Something mythology will never aspire to…
IN CONCLUSION
Let us not forget even the Pope mentioned that he agreed with the theory of evolution and the Big Bang and said ” God is not a magician with a magic wand”
Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design.
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TWITTERVERSE
For a few discerning followers, you may have noticed my two week absence from Twitter. Like many of you I am sure, you find yourself compelled to check your social notifications first thing over maybe a coffee like myself.
Two weeks ago I did the same, a daily ritual one might say, to find twelve identical messages from a stalker I seem to be unable to shake off. The following words flashed up at me over and over again…
you are an evil bitch, I hope you die and burn in hell for eternity
Not the most perfect start to my day, and I admit normally a daily occurrence, however, I had finally had enough. I really didn’t need to allow this negativity and hate into my home anymore! I decided to pull the plug for a few weeks, close my curtains and not allow this sad individual into my home.
A break was much needed….
SECULAR SCARLET 
Scientific advance has helped to create doubt about religious explanations, but many sensible adults have always taken scripture with a large pinch of salt.
In the past they may well have kept their doubts to themselves for fear of backlash but they are safer today.
Some argue that religion , true or false, has reformed society and therefore has intrinsic value.
I believe it has been a thin veneer painted over human nature and used by it for self agrandisement.
Science is the new veneer used to hide the ape inside. Scientists are the medicine men of civilisation while politicians steer the ships of state.
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I would say religion held the advances of science back hundreds of years. Religion had no intrinsic value. What we can say is our civilisation is built on the likes of Aristotle and pre dates the Abrahamic religion, which may i add tried to dilute and and destroy human kinds moral outlook and create a patriarchal social structure in order to control the masses.
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In the west Christianity held sway for almost two thousand years mostly as a catholic powerhouse until the reformation. Muslims held the east hence the crusades.
Do not forget the ancient Greeks were slave owners.
Like all human institutions it was a power struggle. Whatever the ideology human nature is always more subtle and results in a pyramid of wealth just as we have today.
Humans are moral beings but they often ignore their conscience and push for ambitious self interest.
Freud had it sorted out very well we live with a constant internal battle.
Do not be deluded into thinking we are ruled by intelligent logic or that scientific advance will solve all our problems.
The internal combustion engine marvellous as it is has polluted the globe.
I’m a live and let live agnostic.
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We agree on most things i will say that.
I will ignore your last sentence… Its your weakness 😉
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We all have many weaknesses its a human trait, but I suspect you object to my refusal to worship at the shrine of progress.
I ,along with others, believe we have not applied what we know because we are too busy wasting time and money probing reality.
Nature is chasing us ruthlessly with two deadly weapons; Antibiotic resistance and climate.
Martin Rees thinks we stand a 50:50 chance of surviving this century.
Civilisation will be fragmented and set back to warring factions.
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‘Worship at the shrine of progress’ interesting choice of words and says more about you than me I fear….
Disappointing that your thought processes incline to worship, but I suspect you have lingering connections to religion?
My comment was regarding your ‘let and let live’ and ‘agnosticism’
Both cop outs to dealing with the reality of destructive theism.
We are in agreeance on mans rollercoaster to destruction via climate change.
Regarding your comment “Civilisation will be fragmented and set back to warring factions.”
We have been there for a while, religion is the cause😏
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My apologies if I miss-judged you , although I’m 74 I’m still prone to hasty conclusions.
Do not be afraid to use religious terminology it belongs to us all as does the Bible.
Worship means to adore without judgement it can lead to radicalisation when the human conscience is nullified. We all have that potential our brains are made that way.
In the west the terminology of theism is part of our language like it or not. A Christian act is no longer an act by a Christian but refers to any kindly action. People are labelled Christian who do not hold strictly Christian veiws.
Labels are dangerous we must take individuals as we find them.
Millions of Muslims are nominal busy getting on with their lives, its simply a label.
I am agnostic simply because I do not think we know much about the cosmos and our brains are limited as Steven Pinker has suggested in his book ‘How the Mind Works’.
Live and let live is something we must all do to make the world a better place in our own environment.
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I wonder if you are being intentionally obtuse or just misinformed?
I am baffled by your world view and must assume you live in an insulated religious orientated social group quite possibly in the US. I myself live in a secular country, I have never been a christian so your selling ‘christian values’ and ‘religious being the norm is lost on me. Your community may use religious phrasing, but the US is not ‘western society’ we have proceeded on long ago.
You seem fixated on Christianity and may I say you need to widen your scope and understand more than one text, I suggest the Torah, Quran, Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana and the teachings of Buddha. Your world might include a ‘ bible’ but not the majority of the western hemisphere. All these pieces of literature are open to all to read….
I recommend you try to avoid assumptions of ‘religious language’ being the norm as to most of us this attitude would seem like a foreign language to us and doesn’t ‘belong’ to anyone. Regarding your ridiculous comment of ‘a christian act is no longer an act by a Christian’, I’m assuming you mean a humanitarian act, and then I am at a loss why you equate it as a ‘christian act’. You are creating labels for your past, and come across as naive.
In closing, I would say be honest with yourself and read back through your comments on this post. Reading closely you will realize you have a strong tendency towards worship, Christianity, belief and faith. You confirm you think it unwise to think too much, you suggest not questioning and to limit your mindset, a clear indication you have a history of indoctrination.
You are putting limitations on yourself. Please don’t make the mistake of trying to put intellectual limitations on the rest of us.
The core of religion is to instill that a deity knows all and you should not question its views but should remain in ignorance. You have given us a beautiful illustration that is how you see yourself.
In short you are at least a Christian apologist and at worst an ‘agnostic theist’
I hope you have a good weekend, and I wish you good health and a long life
Sec
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Sorry to hear that you were the target of a nutcase stalker. Unfortunately technology is accessible to all kinds; good and bad. I hope you are free of the ignorant fool
I’m looking forward to this Sunday March 6 TVO 10:00 pm
The Story of Egypt
The Story of Egypt – Ep 1 – The Road to the Pyramids
Les
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I will have to search and see if this is available for people across the pond 😋
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FYI The coming wintry evening here is going to dump up to 25cm of snow. Damn
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I love the snow 😁😁☃☃☃☃☃
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But why are there still monkeys 😂😂
Nice blog Deana, enjoyed it.
I’m sure you know but the actual term Big Bang was coined by Yorkshire cosmologist Sir Fred Hoyle. It was intended as a derisory term as Sir Fred was a proponent of the Steady State universe theory and remained so to the end.
Hope you’ve gotten rid of your troll 👍💐🍷
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Thank you David ☺️☺️
My eyes glaze over the minute they mention monkeys 😂😂
You are right I am aware of Hoyle, he coined ‘big bang idea’ on a BBC radio programme on 28th March 1949. I remember the date as it is my birthday ( not may i add in 1949)
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My stalker is a malingerer 😏😏
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I think it’s no wonder that so many early scientists where “religious” or theologians. Firstly, back then believing in God was pretty much the default position. Secondly, clergy had the time and money to give to the scientific cause) compared to the rest of the population). Thirdly, they had the desire to understand God’s world.
Yes, problems arose when what they found out contradicted the Bible, and that led to power tussles and got nasty at times.
But the blind disregard to scientific knowledge is a fairly recent phenomenon.
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Conflation… It’s what theists do when they have no real supporting argument to put forward for their ‘God’ claims. I suspect that they think that if the water is muddied enough, we won’t see past their flimsy attempts to support the unsupportable.
Such a shame we have eyes that can read and brains that can think 🙂
Talking of Popes, I recall that in 2000 (or so) Stephen Hawking was giving a presentation at a symposium held at the Vatican. The Pontiff at the time is known to have allowed physicists to discuss the Big Bang onwards, but forbade any discussion on first causes as this was “clearly the work of the Almighty and is therefore beyond man to question.”
I am agog with anticipation for the supporting evidence to back him up… 16 years later 🙂
Also:
“you are an evil bitch, I hope you die and burn in hell for eternity”
If ONLY we believed in Hell, eh Deana? 😉
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